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- - By Arimathea [us] Date 2018-01-03 1:24 PM
New year, new plan, anyone else still doing WW?
Parent - - By Arimathea [us] Date 2018-01-03 1:47 PM
I got asked by PM this morning about the new Freestyle plan and about WW. Yes, I'm still going. I'm a lifetime member who's 20 pounds above goal weight, so I'm currently having to pay for meetings and online access, but determined to get these pounds off again.

The Freestyle program debuted in December 2017 and so far I like it much better than Points Plus or Smartpoints. Neither of those two plans was particularly friendly to vegetarians. I was definitely unimpressed at having half a cup of cooked beans (just beans, no cheese or oil or anything to dress them up) being 1/6 of my daily points allowance. The only non-animal protein source that wasn't high in points was tofu, and IMHO plain tofu is not worth the effort of chewing and swallowing. Nasty stuff.

The biggest change is that the points allowance has decreased but a large number of foods have been added to the zero points list, including starchy items like peas, corn, beans, and lentils; you count anything added like cheese but you don't count the vegetables or legumes. Plain nonfat Greek yogurt and whole eggs are also on the zero points list, which aren't vegan but which do give vegetarians more options without having to count points for them. If you're not a vegetarian, lean poultry and fish are also no points. So, for instance, if you make low fat hummus using chickpeas and a bit of sesame oil rather than tahini or olive oil, that's practically no points and works well for snacking.

The emphasis on fitpoints/activity points has decreased, activity is still encouraged however it's more for your general wellbeing and health rather than "I ran 3 miles so I can eat this much".

Also, if you have a day where you don't eat all your points, you can carry over up to 4 a day for use later in the week. So if your allowance is 23 per day and you consume 20 points on each of 3 days, you could carry 9 over for the weekend. That's two glasses of wine.

I lost the original weight on Momentum (2010 plan) which was strict on total points but didn't consider the sugar content of various foods as much as the subsequent plans have done.

If you have just rejoined WW, or if it's been a while, I would recommend going to a meeting to learn more about the Freestyle program if you can. If you're online only, take a look at the new materials. And give it a chance -- I am finding this much more user friendly than the previous plans, and I think this is going to work.
Parent - By tahoeblue (spamkiller) Date 2018-01-10 11:26 PM
I was just reading the list of zero point foods the other day.  There's a lot of good stuff on that list.
Parent - - By JimGo1 Date 2018-03-13 8:34 AM
I'm running and using the ketogenic diet for 2018.   So far wow losing a lot of weight which isn't really why I'm doing it.   I'm finally getting fat adapted and starting to lose cravings for sugar and high carb foods.   Bread and beer was tough to let go of.
Parent - - By Beastie Girl [us] Date 2018-03-16 2:28 PM
Do you still have energy for your runs? What is the longest run that you do?
Parent - - By JimGo1 Date 2018-03-27 11:58 AM
Yes - good energy levels.   My long run is only 8 miles at this point but starting to build it up for some trail races over the summer.
Parent - - By Mookiethedog Date 2018-03-27 2:44 PM
Hey Jim and others....

Just noticed this nutrition thread.....on Dec 26, 2017 I decided to stop eating meat and am basically vegan.  I am interested big time in nutrition.
Just over 10 years ago I had a guy coach me for one of my Ironmans and he put me on a nutrition plan which dropped body fat from "normal" to "very lean".
My issue was I ate well but the portions were way too large.  I was amazed when I cut back I still had good energy on less calories etc.  It was also alarming
to think when I was "normal" I thought I was pretty lean but unfortunately the average North American is overweight (or obese) by definition.

Anyway...I kept up with a fairly good nutrition but recently thought for various reasons to try to go plant based

I'm doing a 50km trail run in June and so far have only done a run of 16km for my longest run.... but took no food/nutrition at all and felt fine (including no breakfast).
I used to do that in the old days so not saying it's a big accomplishment but the body can go without a lot more than I thought.
Parent - - By JimGo1 Date 2018-03-27 6:23 PM
I read a lot of the research on the ketogenic diet and how the human body can run on ketones and have been shocked at the results.  I wasn’t looking to lose weight but more interested in the other results of eating this way.  I’ve never felt better or healthier.
Parent - - By Mookiethedog Date 2018-03-27 9:20 PM
I'll check it out.  Sounds like a win win for you. I have a good buddy who has been vegetarian for 30 years and he has a pot belly......he says it's the bread but he isn't veggie because of health which I find a little odd.  Seems someone committed like that would find a balance but who am I to judge.
Parent - - By JimGo1 Date 2018-03-28 5:46 AM
The one thing with keto is they talk a lot about eating processed meats - bacon etc.  That I’m not real crazy about so I try to minimize that aspect of it.
Parent - By Mookiethedog Date 2018-03-28 11:33 AM
Yeah processed meat is evil but I understand the "science" behind the diet.  I think we stuff our faces with too many carbs as a population.  Cool it's working for you as I would have been a little skeptical dropping the carbs for bigger endurance workouts.
Parent - - By Beastie Girl [us] Date 2018-03-30 1:27 PM
Yep the one guy I know doing keto is always talking about bacon and how much BBQ he eats. He's also training for his first ironman so I'm curious how that's going to work out for him.
Parent - By JimGo1 Date 2018-03-31 2:01 PM
Yeah there are better sources of fat.  I like to have carb up days once in awhile.  Personally I don’t believe in being in ketosis all the time but think it’s good for you body to cycle into ketosis for a few weeks at a time.  Just my opinion not an expert for sure.
Parent - By Beastie Girl [us] Date 2018-03-30 1:25 PM
Cool thanks!
- - By tahoeblue (spamkiller) Date 2018-03-29 12:15 PM
Isn't it great that all of the forums are spam free again?
Parent - By Beastie Girl [us] Date 2018-03-30 1:26 PM
Spam is delicious though. And I think can be eaten on the keto diet? :wtf:
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