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- - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-12 12:47 PM
:happy: Finally getting a a little anxious for this one. It turns out we will get about 70% here in LA.

Is anyone in the path of totality? Anyone actually traveling to see it?

: pbbt:I have school and will have a math exam that day but I plan to take my telescope to the airport with me.
Parent - - By Mookiethedog Date 2017-08-12 2:55 PM
Once upon a time I was falling in love
But now I'm only eating a bun
And there's nothing I can do
A total eclipse of the sun
Once upon a time there was light in my life
But now there's only love in my bum
Nothing I can say
A total eclipse of the sun
Parent - - By jaszflamus (I like wool!) Date 2017-08-12 7:51 PM
:laugh: Wait a sec...those words weren't all written by Steinman and sung by Tyler!:shocker!:
Parent - - By mutiger [us] Date 2017-08-13 10:31 AM
Steinman as in meatloaf? that f'er existed then too? :shocker!: I thought Celine Dion was his thing.
Parent - - By jaszflamus (I like wool!) Date 2017-08-13 4:25 PM
Yep, the Steinman who wrote the Meatloaf songs. If you think about it, Total Eclipse is a lot like those songs. imo he's an incredible songwriter and I've got piano sheet music for a lot of his stuff. In addition to Meatloaf, Tyler and Dion, he also wrote songs for none other than Manilow and also Air Supply.:laugh: I got a Jim Steinman album once (maybe his only one?) and let's just say he is a better songwriter than performer.
Parent - - By Mookiethedog Date 2017-08-13 4:29 PM
On a hot summer's night would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses?
Parent - - By jaszflamus (I like wool!) Date 2017-08-13 8:18 PM
I bet you say that to all the boys.
Parent - - By Mookiethedog Date 2017-08-13 8:26 PM
He's out...NO WAIT SAFE!!!
Parent - - By jaszflamus (I like wool!) Date 2017-08-13 8:28 PM
Stop right there!
Parent - - By Mookiethedog Date 2017-08-13 8:30 PM
Fk you I'm looking for a ruby in a mountain of rock
Parent - - By jaszflamus (I like wool!) Date 2017-08-13 8:38 PM
:laugh: ok ok some of the lyrics suck but the music is pretty amazing
Parent - - By Mookiethedog Date 2017-08-13 8:40 PM
I wasn't trying to tell you otherwise...Bat Out of Hell is a masterpiece
Parent - By jaszflamus (I like wool!) Date 2017-08-13 8:42 PM
Agreed.:hug:
Parent - - By mutiger [us] Date 2017-08-14 7:54 AM
I thought Jim Steinman and meatloaf are the same person :shocker!:
Parent - By jaszflamus (I like wool!) Date 2017-08-14 4:55 PM
Definitely two different guys but their work together was pretty amazing...it was like they were one person.
Parent - By mutiger [us] Date 2017-08-13 10:31 AM
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
Parent - - By The Beard (is wearing Arm Panties) [us] Date 2017-08-12 2:56 PM
By coincidence we will be in Hilton Head. It should be a great spot to watch it. :cool:
Parent - By Blueberry Sky Date 2017-08-12 8:10 PM
Wow front row seat?? Nice.

Something in the 90% range here. I have to work, but I think we'll notice. ;-)
Parent - - By triplejake (The Vampire Lestat) [us] Date 2017-08-14 9:12 AM
Are you going to try to drive up to get onto the path of totality or stay down there?
Parent - - By The Beard (is wearing Arm Panties) [us] Date 2017-08-14 9:20 AM
Probably just stay where we are. Based on this animation it looks like we'll get a good show.

My dad texted me this morning saying that he was able to find five pairs of glasses.:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Parent - - By triplejake (The Vampire Lestat) [us] Date 2017-08-14 9:40 AM
I'm sure it will be cool.  Some of the stuff I've read says that there is a big difference between totality and even somewhere as close as you'll be, but it's hard to really say since nobody has seen one (except Mut!).
Parent - - By Nomad Date 2017-08-21 8:32 AM
I'm sure it's a huge difference - I was in the 75% range for an eclipse and it was anti-climatic in the extreme, just seemed like the darkness you get when a storm's rolling in. I'm at the same range again this time (although also overcast so even worse) and probably won't even bother to go outside
Parent - - By The Beard (is wearing Arm Panties) [us] Date 2017-08-21 2:54 PM
It was a cloudy day but we could still see the eclipse with our eclipse glasses. It got darkish but not much beyond what it would be on a cloudy day. It was neat but I wouldn't have gone out of my way to see it and certainly wouldn't have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars traveling to see it.
Parent - - By The Beard (is wearing Arm Panties) [us] Date 2017-08-21 7:20 PM
Oops, I meant hundreds OR thousands of dollars
Parent - - By mkh (Mr. Fashionista) Date 2017-08-22 9:51 AM
I don't know, if I could take a space ship up to watch I'd spend hundreds of thousands. : pbbt:
Parent - - By The Beard (is wearing Arm Panties) [us] Date 2017-08-22 11:28 AM
The only cosmic place I'd spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to visit is...
Parent - By The Beard (is wearing Arm Panties) [us] Date 2017-08-22 11:29 AM
Uranus!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Parent - - By jaszflamus (I like wool!) Date 2017-08-12 7:50 PM
We're not in the path, and talked about but won't be braving the traffic to get there. Maybe next one.

Off topic but related, I and mrs flamus accompanied by our kid and his girlfriend were coming back from dinner at a brewpub tonight when our son's gf noticed on her phone that a visible space station flyby was happening in two minutes so we took the next exit and pulled into a dark area to watch. It was a very cool 5 minutes watching the bright station fly by, quickly across the sky even though it was moving with the rotation of the earth.:cool: Little things can be so cool.:hug:
Parent - By Blueberry Sky Date 2017-08-12 8:09 PM

>Little things can be so cool.:hug:


Yes indeed, story of my current existence. It's all in the little things. :hug:

Big things ahead, however. :laugh:: pbbt:
Parent - By ironjen Date 2017-08-14 4:27 AM
:cool:
Parent - - By triplejake (The Vampire Lestat) [us] Date 2017-08-14 10:24 AM
You're going to have 76% eclipse there -- seems like that should still be sort of cool.  I remember a partial eclipse from when I was a kid that was pretty neat.
Parent - By jaszflamus (I like wool!) Date 2017-08-14 5:05 PM
You're right...I just learned today we're about 75% which will be cool enough. Maybe we'll invest in some glasses. I've been through a couple partials and the pinhole cardboard box "viewer" is like the stupidest thing ever although the mid-day darkness is pretty amazing.
Parent - - By PoopedColt Date 2017-08-12 8:58 PM
My two underlings are traveling to Charleston with a bunch of people to see it.  We are in the 90% zone, I think.  They decided yesterday to let schools out early to "be safe."   My eldest said he wanted to watch and it seems too late to find reputable glasses - so I found that the science center has safe viewing stuff & "activities" during that time.  Our membership doesn't run out until the 31st.  They'll probably be there with a bunch of small kids - they're 19 & 16... : pbbt: 

At least they'll get one last visit out of our membership.  We decided not to renew, since they won't allow kids > 18 to stay on a family membership and they don't go anymore.  Letting go of the membership is yet another one of those "making me feel old" moments.  We used to go ALL the time when they were tiny. Sigh... :sad:
Parent - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-13 10:51 AM Edited 2017-08-13 10:54 AM
It's the end of days! :cry: Won't someone please think about the children!

:laugh:

Someone on FB pointed out that you can make a pin-hole viewer with your hands. Allow just a tiny stream of light pass through one hand, projecting the image on the palm of the other. :grin:
Parent - - By ironjen Date 2017-08-14 4:25 AM
My husband's Aunt will be in the 100% area. We are not going to visit her though and we will get 70%. I am also quite excited by it. My husband who is Mr Science is completely unphased but the entire thing and seemingly could care less :wtf:
Parent - - By The Beard (is wearing Arm Panties) [us] Date 2017-08-14 8:05 AM
How much less could he care?
Parent - By ironjen Date 2017-08-14 10:10 AM
:laugh:
Parent - - By jwd1113 Date 2017-08-16 6:38 AM
here is Clemson, we are right in the middle of the path or totality

bunch of events planned on campus and the public is invited; they're expecting thousands of visitors

our department is having a late lunch and viewing party

it's before classes start but freshmen will be on campus
Parent - - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-16 10:12 AM
Sweet!:happy:
Parent - By jwd1113 Date 2017-08-22 8:12 AM
it was pretty cool to watch here in the middle of the totality path

campus was nuts... people everywhere...

very funny as people cheered when it reached totality and cheered even louder when the sun started to reappear.

i think one of the coolest things is how the sky looks on the horizons during totality... looks like sunrise/sunset glow in all directions at the same time
- - By mutiger [us] Date 2017-08-13 10:38 AM
They say its a once in a lifetime thingy. I watched one in 1980, skipping this one.
Parent - - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-13 10:50 AM
Nah. It just depends on how determined you are to see them. They happen on average, somewhere on Earth, every 18 months.:happy:  That's why I'm not so excited about it.  It's just been a long time since one crossed the whole 48 States.
Parent - - By sideshowbob Date 2017-08-14 3:10 PM
I thought there were 57 ?
Parent - By The Beard (is wearing Arm Panties) [us] Date 2017-08-14 4:37 PM
CHANGE!
Parent - - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-14 5:24 PM
Didn't Guam get nuked last week? : pbbt:
Parent - By sideshowbob Date 2017-08-14 9:04 PM
No way--El Trumpo saved them . :roll:
Parent - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-13 11:16 AM
Thanks to the growing citizen science movement and the fact that everyone has a camera on some device, it will be the best documented. :cool:
Parent - - By Mookiethedog Date 2017-08-13 8:27 PM
I once thought that about threesomes
Parent - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-14 9:18 AM
Again, just a matter of money and/or determination. :mischief:
- By triplejake (The Vampire Lestat) [us] Date 2017-08-14 8:53 AM
I'm in the 100% zone and am pretty excited for it.  Also curious to see how big an influx of visitors there will be -- some of the reports suggest that LOTS of people are traveling to see the eclipse, though we're pretty used to tourism anyway, so not sure how big an impact it will be.
- - By insistor (needs a bigger dick) Date 2017-08-14 8:55 AM
I'm excited however in St Paul it's only 84%. I also need to get glasses but not sure where to find them now. My boys will be at kids club at school that day so I'm hoping they plan something so the kids can try to see it.
Parent - - By The Beard (is wearing Arm Panties) [us] Date 2017-08-14 9:06 AM
Maybe Warby Parker has some, you hipster ass.
Parent - - By insistor (needs a bigger dick) Date 2017-08-14 12:05 PM
I wish nothing but clouds and rain for you on Aug 21 :mutmad:
Parent - - By The Beard (is wearing Arm Panties) [us] Date 2017-08-14 12:32 PM
:laugh:
Parent - By insistor (needs a bigger dick) Date 2017-08-21 7:44 AM
Jokes on me, it's rainy and cloudy in MN today :cry:
Parent - By mutiger [us] Date 2017-08-14 12:26 PM
youre a worse hipster whore than he is
- - By NotSoFast [ca] Date 2017-08-15 1:36 PM
I am driving with my son Gavin and 2 of my friends and their kids to the exciting enclave of Columbia SC to view it and praying for no clouds, always a dicey situation South in the Summer. Yes we are all excused from school. It was the closest drive I could find in totality that wasn't an arm and leg hotel wise (I still couldn't get a good price in Charleston SC which would have been closer even 8 months ago). I made the reservations in December 2016 before Evan's relapse diagnosis thinking he would just love this, and decided I would take Gavin anyway and I'll probably take along a photo of Evan to gaze up at the sky with us.
Parent - By gadget girl Date 2017-08-21 9:50 AM
:hug::hug::hug:
Parent - By noel (Kilotons of Honky Tonk Badonkadonk) Date 2017-08-21 10:32 AM
:hug::hug:
- By neustkg (Important) Date 2017-08-15 2:22 PM
Think we are 93% here.  I would like to go to Casper, WY, but kids are in school starting this week.
- By LDR (100 Mile Stud) [us] Date 2017-08-17 11:20 AM
I'll be north of the 70-mile sweet zone, but I'll likely be 150+ miles south of where I live, out on the open road.  We'll see if weather cooperates.
- - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-21 6:29 AM
: pbbt: Not a great Wx forecast.  Patchy drizzle and low clouds until 1100 local. Hopefully there will be enough breaks before then. Unfortunately, I have no optional location.
Parent - - By PoopedColt Date 2017-08-21 8:36 AM
:sad: I hope it breaks for you. I know how you were looking forward to it.

Our inner circle of hell weather is good for something I guess. Sticky, hot & humid with the sun beating down on you as usual. Maybe today will be the one day I'm not pissed off every time I step outside.  I'm meeting the kids at the science center just before 1. The peak is 2:42 here. They have 240 pairs of glasses, binoculars, and telescopes. I have no idea how many will go. They will be asking people to share, so hopefully we will get something.  Worst case, we will hang out and see a movie in the dome theater and get zombified by the science on a sphere thing.
Parent - By PoopedColt Date 2017-08-21 10:59 AM
Science center is a bust. Went at 12:45 and there were at least 1000 people in line. Oh well. I don't think the kids were disappointed. I'll look out the window and watch it get dark
Parent - - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-21 12:37 PM
:hug: the clouds dos break and it was really cool.  I had more than 20 people look through my telescope. Fellow students, construction workers and controllers from the tower and strangers driving by.  There are to sunspot regions that maid for better viewing.
Parent - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-21 1:46 PM
And my mom stopped by, so everyone got to meet the old lady pilot I always talk about. :laugh:
- - By triplejake (The Vampire Lestat) [us] Date 2017-08-21 7:39 AM
I got my box of special eclipse doughnuts, so I figure it's all gravy from here.  :cool:
Parent - By triplejake (The Vampire Lestat) [us] Date 2017-08-21 10:17 AM
ECLIPSE UPDATE.  It is a mostly clear day here.  Should be good for eclipse-seeing in a couple of hours.  :shocker!:
Parent - By noel (Kilotons of Honky Tonk Badonkadonk) Date 2017-08-21 10:31 AM
:cool: <---- these are my eclipse glasses so I can't see your eclipse donuts but I bet they are awesome
- - By sideshowbob Date 2017-08-21 9:09 AM
That's just false news !
Parent - - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-21 12:41 PM
Jim Baker blamed it on Obama being president.:laugh:
Parent - By sideshowbob Date 2017-08-21 3:07 PM
Of course .
- By Tommeke Date 2017-08-21 9:59 AM
I'm still using Eclipse Luna although the new Eclipse Oxygen has been out for awhile.
Not really in a hurry to change my IDE though, Luna is already covering most of the newer Java toolset so I'm good.
- - By noel (Kilotons of Honky Tonk Badonkadonk) Date 2017-08-21 10:30 AM
We are at 98% here so I'll be sitting on my deck alone watching :cry: I work afterwards this evening. My kids HS is letting them all go outside to watch which is great bc many schools are allowing kids to stay home excuses bc they don't have glasses and can't guarantee eye ball safety of their students :shocker!: I sent my college kids back with their glasses and Dh will be on a conference call and go out into parking lot to watch. We know how to do this shit up right :roll:
Parent - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-21 12:44 PM
:cool:
Parent - By sideshowbob Date 2017-08-21 3:07 PM
Cue the Beard ----
- - By Mookiethedog Date 2017-08-21 11:34 AM
Eclipse question.....okay so it's really socked in with clouds here and I went out with 3 dogs to watch the eclipse.  Obviously I wouldn't see the sun and moon thingee but shouldn't it have got darker??
Parent - - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-21 12:43 PM
No. You need to be really close to totality. We got 70% and that still is like a hazy day.
Parent - - By noel (Kilotons of Honky Tonk Badonkadonk) Date 2017-08-21 12:46 PM
Even here with 98% it got like just before dusk, it dropped in temps, but not dark
Parent - - By PoopedColt Date 2017-08-21 12:50 PM
Yeah. Here too. We are 91-92% and I was surprised how bright it was.  a lady on the 3rd floor had glasses and we passed them around every few sec. A neighbor gave some to my kids who were sitting on the porch, so they got to see it too. I'm glad. Much cooler with glasses.
Parent - By Mookiethedog Date 2017-08-21 1:00 PM
Thanks guys and gals :hug:......my sister who lives in a place with sun today got a cool look wearing glasses.  (I told her glasses were for wimps and that I just squinted....but kids please don't do that)

Anyway I stood there like a dick taking photos of clouds....and then figured I got the time wrong.  Good to know the sun keeps it light even with the bloody moon getting in the way
Parent - By kelly_v Date 2017-08-21 1:29 PM
I agree the glasses made it way cooler. We had some pairs being passed around here at work. It was nice that everyone was being friendly and sharing so everyone got a chance to look
- - By triplejake (The Vampire Lestat) [us] Date 2017-08-21 3:07 PM
Total eclipse update:  It was very freaky and cool.  Thumbs up.  :happy:
Parent - By jaszflamus (I like wool!) Date 2017-08-21 3:44 PM
:cool::grin: The partial turned out to be pretty awesome too, after I got some last minute glasses mid-eclipse from my kid who got them from a neighbor in a chance meeting at lunchtime today after my efforts this past weekend had failed. I was surprised how thrilling it was, even without the darkness you experienced.
Parent - - By noel (Kilotons of Honky Tonk Badonkadonk) Date 2017-08-22 4:59 AM
Watching it move on TV showing the spots of totality was really awesome and I was getting all excited thinking "98% has to be 98% as awesome as that!"  but then when all mine did was go from a tiny sliver on one side to a tiny sliver on the other I was like "not awesome." :blush: so I can see how being in those total eclipse spots must have been very cool and get why people went there.
Parent - - By PoopedColt Date 2017-08-22 5:11 AM
I agree.  I was watching it on CNN.  It was neat how light (but weird light) it was until right at totality.  It would have been neat to be a part of that. 

Ours was quite different.  I told DH that if the media hadn't played it up and told us about it, I probably wouldn't have even noticed anything was different.  I would have looked out the window and assumed a thunderstorm was nearby.  It was neat using the glasses though.  And it was nice to see the science center mobbed.  I don't think I've ever seen more than 10 people there at once before - not counting bday parties. : pbbt:
Parent - - By noel (Kilotons of Honky Tonk Badonkadonk) Date 2017-08-22 6:19 AM
Agreed! My kids' HS turned it into a party and they, my daughter especially, loved it. I like the idea that this might influence kids to become future scientists in some way. :grin:
Parent - - By insistor (needs a bigger dick) Date 2017-08-22 11:16 AM
My boys were at Kids Club (summer program at their school) and the staff there wouldn't let any kids outside during the eclipse, even if they brought glasses
Parent - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-22 11:26 AM
:mutmad: that sucks!

I stood out in the sun without sunscreen for 3 hours. I didn't even get sunburned.
Parent - By noel (Kilotons of Honky Tonk Badonkadonk) Date 2017-08-22 2:34 PM
:meh:
Parent - By The Beard (is wearing Arm Panties) [us] Date 2017-08-22 4:42 PM
Stupid Minnesota.
- By N70SAK Date 2017-08-22 6:11 AM
The 3 pics I managed to take did not focus properly. I need something better than a point&shoot. I did snap a couple pics of the the people enjoying the moment...

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4428/36733720285_e98e334dd5_o.jpg

The jet in the background is a Gulfstream II that was once in the service of Ronnie and Nancy. :laugh:
- By neustkg (Important) Date 2017-08-22 6:30 AM
Very neat here.  The company bought everyone glasses (at least I think everyone got a pair) and bought eclipse cupcakes and served fruit.  We all went out on our company patio at 11 to watch the start (I went back to my desk until 11:30) but came back out at 11:30 and watched the until max, which was 11:47.  Was neat how dim the light got (never got totally dark here, but light was dim) and temperature dropped, too. 

Traffic this morning on I-25 N going to either Wyoming or Nebraska was backed up for at least 75 miles from the border partly due to normal rush hour and also last minute eclipse watchers.  Heard most cars had either New Mexico, Texas, Kansas, or Oklahoma tags.  Got better around 9, but that didn't give people much time to get to places like Casper, WY (which is about 6.5 hours from our house).  Another bunch up at the state line with cars stopping for selfies in front of the Welcome to Wyoming sign (which isn't that big at all).  Heard the traffic going south was also nasty in the afternoon to evening.  The smart people are leaving today.  I am assuming all Wal-Marts nationwide in the eclipse path were full of campers (Wal-Marts allow you to camp for free as long as you are self contained).
- - By NotSoFast [ca] Date 2017-08-22 7:33 AM
OMG I can't really even describe how freaking awesome this was to experience. We went to Lake Murray Dam in Columbia South Carolina, drove up from Tampa the day before ( I had booked a hotel room a long time ago thinking how Evan would love this, then he relapsed and died but I decided to keep the trip ) with 2 girlfriends, their kids and Gavin. I am glad we were on the lake, we got there super early to get parking and the kids swam all morning. Once the moon started we all grabbed our glasses and kept timing for totality. I can barely describe how the sun dimmed...not like dusk. Like someone turning down a dimmer switch. It got cooler and hazy dark. But really that 1% between 99% and 100% made all the difference. It was amazing how BRIGHT the sun still was 99% covered. It was like sun, sun, sun OMG BLACK HOLE!!!!!! in an instant. The diamond corona, the stars, (I didn't see Mercury, it wasn't totally black out) the pink colors on the horizon...then just as fast there was a laser beam of light shooting at us and SUN! It was so cool also to be surrounded by so many other people doing the same thing. Nature got a standing ovation!

So the 12 hour drive back after wasn't so much fun but I'd do it again. 2024 Here we come.
Parent - By insistor (needs a bigger dick) Date 2017-08-22 7:38 AM
:hug:
Parent - By cowboyjunkie Date 2017-08-22 8:12 AM
:happy::hug:
Parent - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-22 9:41 AM
:cool::hug:
Parent - By PoopedColt Date 2017-08-22 10:08 AM
:hug:
Parent - By noel (Kilotons of Honky Tonk Badonkadonk) Date 2017-08-22 2:36 PM
That's awesome! :cool::hug:
Parent - By jaszflamus (I like wool!) Date 2017-08-22 5:49 PM
:shocker!::cool::grin: So awesome! My colleague's hubby and daughter drove a day trip from PA to Knoxville, and had a similar experience.

We're definitely doing 2024 in the Erie area!
- - By sideshowbob Date 2017-08-22 9:57 AM
Because I'm so vain , I went to Nova Scotia and expected the eclipse to follow me. DRAT !
Parent - - By Arimathea [us] Date 2017-08-22 10:34 AM
I bet you think this thread is about you, don't you...
Parent - - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-22 10:47 AM
Did you dream about clouds in your covfefe? : pbbt:
Parent - By Arimathea [us] Date 2017-08-22 12:55 PM
:laugh:
Parent - By sideshowbob Date 2017-08-22 6:18 PM
POTD !
Parent - By sideshowbob Date 2017-08-22 6:18 PM
:laugh:
Parent - By sideshowbob Date 2017-08-22 6:20 PM
Note to self : buy an apricot  scarf .
- - By Mookiethedog Date 2017-08-22 4:19 PM
Seems appropriate this thread eclipsed 100 posts:hug:
Parent - By jaszflamus (I like wool!) Date 2017-08-22 5:49 PM
:groan:
- - By N70SAK Date 2017-08-23 8:30 AM
Freaky pic of the eclipse from 1,000,000 miles above Earth.  This is from the Deep Space Climate Observatory(DISCOVR)  It provides daily images of the whole planet from beyond the Moon's orbit. Thank you Mr Gore. :hug:

The image shows the shadow over the middle of the country and if you look closely, there is a massive stream of smoke being drawn out into the ocean, just above San Fransisco. :shocker!:

https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/archive/natural/2017/08/21/png/epic_1b_20170821174450_02.png

https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/
Parent - By jaszflamus (I like wool!) Date 2017-08-23 3:45 PM
That is freaky and awesome!:shocker!: And I do see that stream of smoke.:sad:

Surprising that this satellite has not been grounded by the current administration.:wtf:
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