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- - By swandive Date 2018-01-03 8:38 PM
Here's a NRR thread until someone decides to start a new one. : pbbt:
Parent - - By swandive Date 2018-01-03 8:46 PM
If you go to the doctor, how long do you expect it to take?  I'm talking the time from when you leave home/work until the time you get back, i.e. the time you figure for disruption to your day, not just the time you spend in the same room as someone wearing a long white coat.  I know it can vary wildly if you're going to the pediatrician for a strep test vs. going to the hospital for an outpatient procedure, but I'm wondering what people think of as normal or average.  I very rarely go to doctors on my own but I spend an awful lot of time taking other people to various appointments and I would say that a 4-6 hour disruption is normal. :meh:
Parent - - By stickywicket Date 2018-01-03 11:41 PM
That does not sound normal! 1 to 1.5 hrs depending on whether I'm going from work or home and how long my appt is for.  15-20 min wait at most, then the appointment. What's taking you the time? The commute?
Parent - By swandive Date 2018-01-04 5:24 PM
The commute is a lot of it, but it's also "allow 15-30 extra minutes in case traffic is bad," "allow 15 minutes to park," etc.
Parent - By Mickey [us] Date 2018-01-04 7:04 AM
Shouldn't be waiting more than 15 -20 minutes for appointment to start - I'm one of those who will ask to reschedule if the doctor is running so far behind s/he misses my appointment time by more than 30 minutes.

Most of my appointments last less than 90 minutes, though some specialists take longer if there are tests / lab work involved.

2 hours, sometimes 3, anything more I'm shocked.
Parent - - By PoopedColt Date 2018-01-04 7:30 AM
It’s normal for around here. Even a generic orthodontist appointment takes me 3 hours out of work, but that includes checking the kid out of school. Nothing here is further than 10 min though. 

Taking the commute out of the equation... With an appointment for any normal doctor, it is very rare to be in and out in under an hour. I’d say 1:30-2:00 is typical. 3 hours is not abnormal either. If you do to a doc in the box with no appointment, 3 hours is typical. I don’t go to specialists very often, but the more tests and procedures they need to do, that increases the total time by a lot.

And the frustrating thing is that the total time spent talking to the doctor is under 10 min.
Parent - - By BoredTemp [us] Date 2018-01-04 7:37 AM
what takes that long?

I rarely wait more than 15 minutes, and then as you say, the appointment is about 15 min, then 10 minutes to check out, get the paperwork, etc.  Done.
Parent - - By PoopedColt Date 2018-01-04 7:47 AM
Easily wait 30-45 min in the waiting room - that’s with the appointment- without its 1-2+ hours, then the weight check/blood pressure, then sit in the patient room for another 30-45min waiting by yourself. Then if they want to do a strep/flu test, easily 30 more minutes. I’ve waited 45 min just waiting for the stupid result and often go out in the hallway trying to track down a nurse to give us the result so you can check out.
Parent - By PoopedColt Date 2018-01-04 7:54 AM
Also some places like the ENT double/triple book appointments. 3 hours is the norm there. But we don’t have that many options. You can go out of town, and many people do especially for specialists, but then you also add 2-5 hours to your commute.
Parent - By swandive Date 2018-01-04 5:28 PM
Yep, exactly.  You're supposed to arrive 15 minutes before you appointment, then they call you back 15 minutes after your appointment time.  A nurse takes your vitals and puts you in a room, then you wait.  Another nurse comes in and goes over your medical history/medications, then you wait some more.  Eventually the doctor comes in.  Once you're done with that, you have to check out, which may well involve more waiting.  And that's assuming there's no labs/tests involved...
Parent - - By BoredTemp [us] Date 2018-01-04 7:39 AM
not fair to look at commute - because that varies so wildly, but I budget an hour and a half for appointments, just in case, but they *rarely* take that long, usually more like 45.
Parent - By swandive Date 2018-01-04 5:32 PM
I know it's not fair to look at commute time, but in terms of general disruption to one's day, it does matter so I'm wondering what people consider "normal."
Parent - By kelly_v Date 2018-01-04 7:57 AM
4-6 hours is crazy! The only time I had something close to that was my first prenatal visit and that was bc the Dr office was a 35-40 min drive away and the appointment was 2.5-3 hours because it was the first one.  Otherwise I'd say 1-1.5 hours depending on commute.
Parent - By moonglow9 Date 2018-01-04 9:16 AM
It varies, obviously, but the most variable part is actually the commute. Some of my doctors are very close by, some a bit more of a trip. Traffic is unpredictable, but I usually allow 30-45 minutes to make it to the appointment.
Actually in the office:
Intake: My doctors all are electronically situated, so I check in online/on their app. Any forms needed are filled out in advance and emailed/done online, so I just go in and nod to the receptionist.
Wait time: 10-15 minutes. Specialists tend to be more punctual; GPs lag a bit. Hardly ever more than 20 minutes even for a GP.
Preliminary: With the RN/LNP, vitals etc. take about 5 minutes, then the MD comes in right behind that.
Appointment: My GP usually spends 40-45 minutes with me, longer if there are questions, if we need to discuss something, etc. He always makes time for me and I've never felt rushed. Specialists vary, but again, I've never been rushed out. Appointments with specialists can vary, but usually 45-60 minutes. Information is entered electronically for records/notes, etc. I've always felt that the doctor gives me his full attention, not distracted by the screen.
Checkout: Electronic; the MD sends the information to the front desk, they know I'm there, check me out, and have the next appointment if needed sent to my calendar. All notes from the appointment, results, etc. are available to me immediately at the secure patient portal, and an email to my inbox provides a link (or I just log in directly).
Average total: 60-70 minutes at the office.

Tests: If labs are needed, doctors ask that they be done before the appointment. I go to the outpatient post of the hospital in MyTown, and I'm in and out for blood draws in 15-20 minutes, unless there is an unusual rush. One can make appointments too. More involved tests like MRIs, EKGs, etc. are also done ahead of time. The time for those tests naturally varies depending on how complex, but wait time is not more than 20 minutes before being taken back, and once back things start right away. The results are uploaded to the hospital system, which is accessible to all of my doctors and specialists since they are all part of the same health group associated with the hospital. No one has to send information to anyone, and the MD can discuss with me easily at the appointment without having to take time to do the test.
Parent - By Arimathea [us] Date 2018-01-04 10:56 AM
I usually expect to wait about 15 minutes in the waiting room and then maybe 20 minutes total in the exam room, including the time spent taking vitals and having me get ready to see the doctor if clothing needs to be removed.

Travel time can vary a lot and that is major disruption -- especially if I'm at work the first part of the day and then have to catch the first bus, or a train and then a bus, to get to the doctor's office.
Parent - By reebs (chicken whisperer) Date 2018-01-04 11:29 AM
For a non specialized appointment, I expect to be gone from the office for 2 hours or less.  For a procedure that will take more time, I add that in.  Even my therapy appts, which are an hour, only have me gone from the office for 90 min.
Parent - By gophergirl [us] Date 2018-01-04 12:54 PM
My opinion is a little biased since I am on the other side but I can say that for simple acute visit you should be done in 45 min maybe 1 hour from time you get to clinic, see provider, tests, and done. Physical or complex chronic visit would be 1-2 hours depending on tests needed, complexity and questions. Now this time that providers are "allowed" for these visits is not what is typically needed and the reason for the long waits, back ups etc.
Parent - By swandive Date 2018-01-04 5:49 PM
Thanks everyone.  I know my experience is not normal, but I was wondering what people consider to be normal.  There are a lot of doctors around, but live 35-40 miles from major medical centers, so that's where you go for the "best doctors."  ...Except that a lot of the good specialists are in various outlying areas.  A lives two miles from Emory University Hospital but ends up traveling to doctors that are 30 miles away from her, which can easily be an hour or more.  If I go to her house and take her places that's a solid 2-2.5 hours round trip but, even discounting that, if she has an appointment 2 miles from home she'll leave 45 minutes before her appointment time because it could be a 10-minute drive, then you allow 15 minutes to park in a parking deck then wander through a maze of hallways and elevators to get where you're going 15 minutes early, like they ask.

Or today Mom went to the cardiologist.  He was an hour away, except maybe you want to allow 1:15 and get there 15 minutes early, so a 10:15 appointment means leaving at 8:45.  They were "fairly efficient," but we didn't leave there until 11:45.  If you subtract a stop for groceries on the way home, that's four hours gone.
Parent - - By stickywicket Date 2018-01-03 11:43 PM
Anyone have any running bras recs? I'm in dire need - I have two old ones in constant rotation and one just lost one of the hooks in the back. I haven't purchased new ones in at least 3 years. The ones I was using are shock absorber.

Any new tangled technology out there?
Parent - By swandive Date 2018-01-04 7:17 AM
I have recently started running in the Moving Comfort Uplift bra.  I used to wear a different Moving Comfort bra, but they quit making it now that apparently MC stuff is made by Brooks.  Anyway, I like it, though I will note that it takes a bit of contortion to get it hooked and unhooked.  I haven't had any trouble with chafing, though, which is usually my biggest problem with sports bras.
Parent - By skigirl Date 2018-01-04 8:43 AM
Hiya!  I'm a huge Shock Absorber fan.  Comfortable, good support, can get them on and off without major effort.  :happy:
Parent - By easternshoregir [us] Date 2018-01-04 9:21 AM
I'm an Enell promoter. Changed my life, I mean that. If you are large-chested it is the absolute best.
Parent - - By ironjen Date 2018-01-04 10:14 AM
Shefit is the newest one for larger bust sizes (but also great for narrow rib cages, like I am). I was expecting to hate it, but actually works pretty well and one of my requirements is a wicking material that dries quickly for tris. Anyway, the shefit is my second go to behind the CWX Xtra Support. I like it even better than the Shock Absorber.
Parent - - By stickywicket Date 2018-01-04 1:59 PM
They are all so expensive. :cry:
Parent - - By SRoo Date 2018-01-04 2:59 PM
Your mammary glands deserve it!  They supported little wicket, now you support them!
Parent - By stickywicket Date 2018-01-05 12:07 AM
My mammaries have been through a lot in the last few months.:sad: You're right - they deserve TlC.
Parent - - By ironjen Date 2018-01-04 4:01 PM
I honestly don't even blink anymore about the cost, because the cheap stuff NEVER works (and that's for both regular day to day bras and sports bras). I've learned over the years with my size (which is also a factor) to just buy the more expensive and take care of it (ie don't put them in the drier and use the delicate cycle in the washer). That said I think shefit gives a discount off the first order and they do offer sales on occasion. I got 30% off my first one because I bought it over Black Friday weekend.
Parent - - By skigirl Date 2018-01-04 4:13 PM
Yeah, I'm about the same - with having a 36DD infrastructure to support I've learned that the cheaper bras aren't comfortable and don't support me well.  I've found my Shock Absorber bras last a really long time - I wore my first one for four years and it showed no signs of wearing out at all: the only reason I bought a new one was because I needed a different size; since then I've bought a couple more just to make laundry easier.
Parent - By ironjen Date 2018-01-04 4:16 PM
Yeah. my size is an odd size (32 f/g depending on my weight for day to day and a 34 DD/DDD for sports) so most of the time I can't even buy any IN a store I have to order online. And the cheaper options don't sell in my size.
Parent - By easternshoregir [us] Date 2018-01-04 5:38 PM
I finally threw out some of my Enells last year when I realized they had gone to Mexico for the summer with 2005 or 2006!! They actually were still doing a decent job too but were starting to come apart.
Parent - - By stickywicket Date 2018-01-05 12:06 AM
Well the last one I bought was before mini was born, so yeah I'm close to the 4 year mark as well. Maybe I should stick  with shock absorber since it seemed to work. Just the one that lost its hook. I was wondering if after 4 years it may have lost some of its support.

Speaking of old running outfits though - there are a few that seem to not return to freshness after laundry. One shirt in particular has BO that never goes away. I'd throw it away except there's also a jacket and a couple of tights...I tried anti bacterial prewash...that's the only thing I seemed to find that was specifically for stinky clothes. What are the other options? I do t especially want to purchase a whole new wardrobe...
Parent - - By NotSoFast [ca] Date 2018-01-05 8:14 AM
Try soaking  in a mix of rubbing alcohol and water.
Parent - By stickywicket Date 2018-01-05 12:09 PM
Sounds logical. Thanks.
Parent - - By reebs (chicken whisperer) Date 2018-01-05 9:41 AM
Sun. Hang in direct sunlight for a day.
Parent - By stickywicket Date 2018-01-05 12:04 PM
Tried that. Still funky...
Parent - - By skigirl Date 2018-01-05 10:39 AM
Sodium tetraborate - here in Canada it is sold either as 20 Mule Team Borax, or just plain borax, or Arm n' Hammer Washing Soda, or else there's some baby laundry stuff that's the same as the Arm n' Hammer but costs twice as much because there's a baby on the box... can't remember the name of it.  It's cheap and you don't need a lot - soak the offending article in a solution of water and borax for a few hours and then toss it in the wash as normal. with some more borax added to the wash if you like, and the odour should diminish a lot.  It will also boost your detergent, if added to the laundry load, so things get a bit cleaner.
Parent - - By stickywicket Date 2018-01-05 12:08 PM
I haven't seen borax in stores in NZ so forgot about it. They definitely don't have any of the familiar brands. Google search shows it is available in a few places - but this guy advocates drinking it. :shocker!: guess that may get rid of some of your internal funk...
Parent - - By Arimathea [us] Date 2018-01-05 5:40 PM
And when I read this post it was right above Mickey's complaint about the dog's flatulence...maybe she should be putting a teaspoon of borax in crazystinkydog's food. (Mickey -- I am JOKING!)
Parent - By Mickey [us] Date 2018-01-09 10:12 AM
: pbbt:
Parent - By tritri Date 2018-01-06 6:21 PM
This worked the best for me.  Spray
Parent - By Mickey [us] Date 2018-01-04 8:19 AM
:meh: stinky canine flatulence
I love the crazydog, but could she go in another room, please!? :roll:
Parent - - By skigirl Date 2018-01-04 11:02 AM
I ordered a new part for 2.0's biathlon rifle last night from a small company in Nova Scotia, and woke up this morning to a shipment notification from Canada Post.  :shocker!:  That's a new speed record for order fulfilment on an online order - even Amazon doesn't work that fast! 

Helps me out, because this is a part I was supposed to order prior to the start of racing season and forgot about.  Fortunately it's not crucial to the functioning of the rifle, just a small flap that can be pulled down to protect the barrel if the biathlete is racing/training during a snowfall, which hasn't been an issue yet for 2.0 this season. Her next race is coming up soon so now she's set - of course, now that I've ordered the piece I've guaranteed she won't need it for at least the rest of this winter.  : pbbt:
Parent - - By reebs (chicken whisperer) Date 2018-01-04 11:45 AM
Do you know about Amazon's "Prime Now" service? It probably isn't in your area.  A friend of mine was at a party where they decided they wanted to have pizza and play bingo.  They ordered the pizza from a local restaurant, then ordered a bingo set from Prime Now.  The bingo arrived before the pizza!!

Glad you got 2.0's rifle set up!
Parent - By skigirl Date 2018-01-04 12:09 PM
:shocker!::shocker!::shocker!:  That's stunning!
Parent - By gophergirl [us] Date 2018-01-04 1:44 PM
:shocker!::shocker!: We have prime now and I ordered a few weeks ago thinking I was using regular prime and a few hours later a package showed up.
Parent - By moonglow9 Date 2018-01-04 1:45 PM
I've also used the service with great success.
Parent - - By reebs (chicken whisperer) Date 2018-01-04 12:14 PM
Im in the market for a new gym bag. The one I have now I bought at the expo at the Vancouver Marathon that time that Nomad and Skigirl and WArunner and WArunner's running partner all met up.  I don't remember how many years ago. The zipper pull is broken and I don't feel like the thing has enough compartments in it. Does anyone have one they love?  The things I liked about that one was that it fit in a gym locker easily (rectangular shape) and that it holds a full set of clothes and a towel easily (I usually don't have shoes it it other than shower shoes).  I'd love one that had separate wet and dry areas, but I don't know if I can get that and keep it small enough.  Suggestions?
Parent - By easternshoregir [us] Date 2018-01-05 11:09 AM
I feel like I saw a diaper bag recently (but shaped like a bookbag, so not obviously a diaper bag when you look at it) that would fit your needs. I don't remember what brand it is off the top of my head but if I see it again, I will let you know!
Parent - - By gophergirl [us] Date 2018-01-04 1:43 PM
Questions for moms (I know all kids are different), how old did you start letting kids walk home alone from bus stop or to bus stop? Our stop is 4 houses away with no road crossing and I frequently walk with O in the morning just to make sure she gets there and usually walk the dogs but after she usually walks home alone but I got some comments from another mom about this and now questioning if I am the odd one.
Also when did you start leaving home alone for short times? Again got comments on this from other moms. About a year ago starting leaving her home for short times and have gradually increased over the summer to about 20 minutes while I go run, going past the house every 10 minutes. Then she'd usually join me on her bike but wouldn't want to do the entire distance.
I remember walking to/from school by myself and staying home alone at O's age (8 in a few weeks) but I know things are different now.
Parent - By Arimathea [us] Date 2018-01-04 1:59 PM
DH never let the kids walk to or from school, and we're a block from the elementary. I probably would have thought about 9 would be old enough.

That's also when I started leaving them home alone, DS was about 8. Bear in mind that DD and DS are 2.5 years apart (3 years apart by grade), so he was 8 and DD would have been coming up to 11. I wouldn't have left an 8 year old alone with her 5.5 year old sibling, too much room for mayhem if they got to fighting or egging each other on into mischief.
Parent - - By SRoo Date 2018-01-04 2:57 PM
I think Roolet started going to the bus stop by himself in 5th or 6th grade.  It is 4 houses away with a road crossing.  He went to daycare after school until the last couple months of 5th grade, then he would come home on the bus and let himself into the house.  I would try to get home as soon as possible, but he was home for about an hour.  I guess that is a little older than O (10, not 8).  The neighbor girl went to and from the bus stop by herself from 2nd grade.  Her older sister was supposed to meet the bus, but she could never be bothered.  I thought that was too young to be unsupervised, but it turned out ok for them.  I did mention this once to the mom, but she assured me that the older sister was an excellent caretaker.  You know, the one we fired as a babysitter.  :roll: 

You know your kid.  I don't think that things are different now, except for nosy-neighbors (maybe like me?).  Be sure that O understands the plan--where the key is, to call you when she is home, what she can do on her own.  And don't forget the backup plan--what if she forgets/loses/drops the key or the power is off or the dog barfs on the couch or whatever.  In the case of the neighbor kid, she came over once in tears because she couldn't get inside and the phone wasn't working and school had let out early because of a blizzard.  I made sure she knew that she could come to our house anytime she needed help.  Her backup plan was to walk to the library.  4 miles away.
Parent - - By gophergirl [us] Date 2018-01-04 4:06 PM
I guess I should have specified the days she walks home I am usually working from home so she doesn't come home alone. Plus the buss app alerts when the bus gets to the stop so I know to expect her. The rare times she gets home alone after school she has a plan, calls me, knows what she needs to do.
Parent - - By SRoo Date 2018-01-04 5:25 PM
She's fine.  Which you already knew.  :hug:
Parent - By gophergirl [us] Date 2018-01-04 6:24 PM
Thanks :hug:
Parent - By Mickey [us] Date 2018-01-04 3:20 PM
Our bus driver did not let the kids off the bus last year (9 & 7) without an adult visible to the driver, we lived at the bus stop. After moving schools, they walk to/from the bus stop alone (about a block away), unless I'm walking the dog & happen to see them come off the bus. I hated that "must be visible" rule and my older kid would occasionally bluff the driver with "I saw the curtain move in my bedroom" :laugh:.

The kids were left home alone probably too young for most people's comfort, 6&8, for ~30 minutes at a time to run an errand.  They were left home while I walked a dog about a mile in the neighborhood even younger than that. This year, we are letting them come home from school, walk dog themselves, and make their own dinner on occasion (couple hours alone). Part of it was our acreage in the prior house - I could be in the garden for 2 hours while they play inside & never come out to get me. It depends entirely upon the child, neighborhood, and circumstances, though. My kids have a healthy respect for dangerous things (tools, fire, electricity, cleaning agents) and we practiced various "what-if" scenarios.

I walked home from school with a sibling, about a mile, at 6 or 7 years old, and spent several hours alone/with sibling by the time I was 8. Yay! latchkey generation! I can't recall when I was "allowed" to use the oven by myself to bake cookies with nobody home, but it had to have been before 11 years old.
Parent - - By easternshoregir [us] Date 2018-01-04 3:23 PM
Not sure if you care, but you also might want to check local/state laws. I know Maryland has a law on letting kids stay home alone, and I feel like most parents I know abide by that. I think it is age 8 alone and 11 if there are any younger siblings there? Something like that.
Parent - - By Mickey [us] Date 2018-01-04 3:24 PM
WI has no state law, save for negligence or endangerment.  There is no "age"
Parent - By easternshoregir [us] Date 2018-01-04 3:28 PM
Quick Google search tells me MD and IL are the only ones! Not sure if that is accurate though.
Parent - By gophergirl [us] Date 2018-01-04 4:08 PM
County laws here and age is 7 to be alone, 8 for up to 2 hours, 10 up to 12 hours (that seems long!)
Parent - - By Nomad Date 2018-01-04 3:50 PM
I don't recall when I started walking to school alone but must've been around 8-9 as I know I used to walk with my best friend (so technically not alone I guess) and used to be late for tea often because we hung around at the road where we separated for waaaay too long. Sometimes my dad would drive home from work & find me still there which has to have been 3 hours after school let out :laugh: We did that for years and went to different schools at age 11 so it must have started around that age.  I also used to walk my brother from school around the same age (him 3 yrs younger) when my mother was in London doing her degree - that was a shorter walk as we went to a family friend's after school but she went back to college as soon as he started school so I was 8 max.  According to google maps that was 0.5 miles with 3 road crossings, the major one with a lollipop lady (crossing guard).

But hey, everyone walked and we all wore uniforms so anyone local knew who we were (the sweet shop we passed - more road crossings to the shopping centre - would only let 2 of us in at once so there was always a crowd there). The biggest concern was the 10 yr old boys mixing it up with boys from other local schools
Parent - - By stickywicket Date 2018-01-04 9:45 PM
I walked to school alone by age 6. Couldn't tell you how many blocks cause not all the roads were paved yet. I also remember taking a detour to visit Bedouins who made us sweet tea and let us pet the donkeys. Times have changed...

I was playing outside, on my bike, and going to friends houses on my own from probably age 5. And somewhere between age 6-8 I rode the bus on my own too - my mom put me on and grandmother met me at the other end.

When my older bro was around 10 or 11 - I was 7-8, he fired our babysitter cause she ate his stash of chocolate. From then on he and I babysat our little bros from after school til my mom came home. Which meant he enforced rules and I changed diapers. :roll:

My parents would probably be arrested for neglect these days. : pbbt:
Parent - By Mickey [us] Date 2018-01-04 9:55 PM
One of my relatives tells the story of riding a greyhound bus 400 miles when he was 5 years old. The pickup relative wrote down the wrong week, and was ~2 hours away when his bus came in. So he phoned another relative, waiting alone for an hour or so until picked up.  Different world.
Parent - By ironjen Date 2018-01-04 4:08 PM Edited 2018-01-04 4:11 PM
I started leaving the kids home alone to walk the dogs in the neighborhood when my daughter was 9 (she's the older one) I think. But I was in the neighborhood and wasn't gone long. I would have done it a lot earlier but J would have not been pleases, he is WAY more over protective than I am. I didn't start running (leaving them alone while i run I mean) until fall of 2016 and stuck to the neighborhood and ran past the house every 15 minutes. I started leaving them alone this past summer so I could go to the gym to swim. This was 2 fold because A HATED going to the gym child care and she was getting to the age where they were going to cut her off anyway. I keep it at 2 hours or slightly over that. It's also only about 10 minutes away. If I have to go further they go with me because my oldest is now only 12. I can't answer the bus question as my kids are cybered. I know the neighborhood kid next door who is a year or so older than A, was left to walk ot the bus alone quite young but with 5 other moms at the bus stop nothing was going to happen to her. IMO, the other kids moms can bugger off as it's none of their business what you and O do.
Parent - By reebs (chicken whisperer) Date 2018-01-04 4:41 PM
My brother and I walked to school alone together (about half a mile) when I was in kindergarten and he was in 1st grade. We had to cross a creek, a residential street, and a busy street. There was a crossing guard on the busy street.
Parent - By tritri Date 2018-01-06 6:27 PM
For staying home alone, DS was 4 or 5.  We just increased the time gradually. By 9, I stopped using babysitters altogether. Somewhere around then he walked home from school by himself.  I think the world is safer than the news would have you believe.  The first evening I left him home alone, we got home and he had built a fort in the family room and was listening to Mozart!
Parent - - By SRoo Date 2018-01-04 3:12 PM
Rootlet's wrestling tournament for Saturday was canceled due to weather.  It is supposed to be very cold outside. :wtf:  People, wrestling is an indoor sport.  Also, this is Pennsylvania, not Florida.
Parent - By Mickey [us] Date 2018-01-04 3:22 PM
Parent - By gophergirl [us] Date 2018-01-04 4:09 PM
Parent - - By skigirl Date 2018-01-04 4:13 PM
You'd think it was a dog agility class!
Parent - By SRoo Date 2018-01-04 4:43 PM
Exactly!  :cry::laugh:
Parent - By reebs (chicken whisperer) Date 2018-01-04 4:41 PM
:laugh::laugh: Is it too cold to go anywhere? (whatever that means)
Parent - - By Arimathea [us] Date 2018-01-04 5:20 PM
Were they perhaps anticipating that the students would walk to the tournament?

Unless the authorities have said firmly "stay off the roads", which I would accept for ice or several feet of snow but not necessarily for cold by itself, I don't see the need to cancel for cold weather. It's January. Cold weather is expected.
Parent - By SRoo Date 2018-01-04 5:23 PM
I suspect the deal is that the schools are closed on Friday (which is completely reasonable) and there is probably some rule about whether they can host the  event in that case.
Parent - - By Mickey [us] Date 2018-01-04 5:25 PM
They're worried the wrestlers would walk alone, without an adult, wearing their wrestling gear and nothing else?
Parent - - By SRoo Date 2018-01-04 5:27 PM
Junior High boys are not very good at critical thinking.
Parent - - By Mickey [us] Date 2018-01-04 5:28 PM
I know.  But I was thinking about the discussion above :wink:
Parent - - By SRoo Date 2018-01-04 5:35 PM
I know you know.  But I was thinking of a discussion I had with DH last night, where he expressed doubt that there are kids in our school district without warm coats and hats and gloves.  1)  I know a school bus driver that buys hats and gloves to give to kids that don't have them; and 2) my beloved son thinks that wearing a coat is silly because he will be on the bus, and he told me that he didn't need gloves this winter because he had pockets.
Parent - - By Mickey [us] Date 2018-01-04 7:00 PM
Yep, I happen to know a 13 year old boy who thinks shorts and flipflops are suitable winter wear. :roll:  My children's school has a rule that they may not have bare legs (shorts, or skirt without leggings/tights) when the temperature is below 60°F.  That seems a bit warm, IMO, but it gets the kids thinking "huh, it's getting cooler, better put on more clothing".
Parent - - By Nomad Date 2018-01-05 10:16 AM
Wow, that is extreme! I'm not exactly a cold weather lover but I was out in t-shirt & sandals in AZ last week at 35F, although if it's 60F inside while studying that would be a totally different situation.

I have yet to get out my 'big gloves' or put my hood up, and it's -25C (-13F) here
Parent - - By stickywicket Date 2018-01-05 12:10 PM
What happened to you?:shocker!:
Parent - - By Nomad Date 2018-01-05 1:49 PM
I know :cry: The Canadians have corrupted me :shocker!:
Parent - - By skigirl Date 2018-01-05 2:11 PM
We've made you tough and strong, just like us.  :cool:
Parent - - By Nomad Date 2018-01-05 2:20 PM
Ha! I still hate the ice with a passion and you have zero chance getting me skating, ski-ing or ice fishing...but apparently the purchase of a very expensive parka can ease the pain of -25C day after day : pbbt:
Parent - By skigirl Date 2018-01-05 2:59 PM
Money well spent, then!
Parent - - By moonglow9 Date 2018-01-05 3:10 PM
Link to said parka?
Cold weather wimp
Parent - - By Nomad Date 2018-01-05 7:53 PM
Canada Goose. Any of them (since my body type & yours are so different that the one I picked would swamp you in any size)

But I admit I get a huge discount though my employer otherwise I probably still wouldn't have one - as my physio says, it's a 10 yr commitment :shocker!:
Parent - By swandive Date 2018-01-05 7:55 PM
I just googled those and, oy! :shocker!:  Even over ten years, that's a not-insignificant price for an item of clothing.  Still, if it's necessary...
Parent - By Arimathea [us] Date 2018-01-05 11:57 PM
I just googled also. And when one of the choices Google comes up with is "Canada Goose payment plan", you know the cost is not insignificant.
Parent - By moonglow9 Date 2018-01-06 8:24 AM
Thanks, I'll look at these. I'm willing to pay for a coat that lasts and keeps me warm, and am still looking... I have a investment dress coat that's wool, ankle-length, and kind of warm, but not good for real cold or wet. This company seems more practical for winter weather in all but dress/formal events.
Parent - - By newfmrs Date 2018-01-06 7:59 AM
I was just perusing this thread.  I havent looked at nomads suggestion but not sure your price range.  I have a mountain hardwear absolute zero (think back in the day it was a sub zero name) jacket.  Ive worn it at the top of rainier.  Ive worn it in a complete whiteout, blizzard like conditions on a peak as well.  Ive worn it standing around in -10 degrees.  It should do the trick for where you live and itd be overkill for me when I lived back there but likely perfect for you.  I dont know how tall you are, but I tend to buy mens small outdoor gear.  Sometimes the "better" versions are only made for men/unisex.  Other times it's due to the discount since men's size small are often ones that are leftover from the season because a less popular size for men.  If you pair this coat with some down mitts you'd probably do very well.  When you get down, its better to get one with a waterproof coating as down sucks when wet. 

Parent - - By moonglow9 Date 2018-01-06 8:18 AM
I'm open on price - I have no cold tolerance so am willing to pay for warmth in a good jacket, one that lasts. I'm a bit under 1.7m tall (5'6") and don't mind men's or women's, as long as it fits and does the job. Is it long enough to keep you warm below the waist? I can't tell from the link...
Parent - - By newfmrs Date 2018-01-06 8:25 AM
I'm 5'7" and slim build.  Mine basically covers my butt and stops there.  I have a longer down north face I'd use for regular winter coat but it isn't as warm.
Parent - By moonglow9 Date 2018-01-06 8:26 AM
Okay, that helps. Thanks!
Parent - By moonglow9 Date 2018-01-05 3:51 PM
I could never manage that inside or outside - under 75F/24C I'm cold!
Parent - - By swandive Date 2018-01-04 5:22 PM
I can understand school stuff being cancelled if driving conditions are bad, if it's too cold for kids to wait at the bus stop (an issue here as some kids may not have winter coats), or if it's so cold that the buses won't start.  But an indoor event with no inclement weather? :wtf:
Parent - By SRoo Date 2018-01-04 5:24 PM
See my post above to Tessa.  I've calmed down. :happy:
Parent - - By NotSoFast [ca] Date 2018-01-05 8:17 AM
Today is Evan's birthday. He would have been 14. Take a moment to remember him if wish. We are having a remembrance celebration today here for him. We will release blue balloons and I have some chinese floating lanterns that everyone will write on the sides and we will take down to the water to float later after dusk.
Parent - By Mickey [us] Date 2018-01-05 8:34 AM
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Parent - - By reebs (chicken whisperer) Date 2018-01-05 10:54 AM
In Judaism we say, "may his memory be a blessing"  with Evan it is clear his memory IS a blessing. :hug:
Parent - By moonglow9 Date 2018-01-05 2:19 PM
Indeed it is. :hug:
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Parent - - By laxrunner Date 2018-01-05 3:12 PM
:hug::hug: Thinking of you and your family today.

A good friend from HS has a son named Evan and today is his first birthday.
Parent - By NotSoFast [ca] Date 2018-01-06 10:06 AM
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Parent - By Arimathea [us] Date 2018-01-05 5:43 PM
Happy birthday, Evan.

I have a couple of books to put in the LFL for him.
Parent - By swandive Date 2018-01-05 7:07 PM
Happy birthday Evan. :hug:
Parent - By classicsnerd [us] Date 2018-01-05 8:51 PM
Happy birthday, Evan. Love to your whole family.
Parent - By newfmrs Date 2018-01-06 8:29 AM
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Parent - - By spccer6 [us] Date 2018-01-05 3:13 PM
I am not amused that the POTUS has decided to attend the College Football championship game on Monday.  He's making what was already going to be a royal pain in the ass traffic day into an impossible on.  I can work from home so that's ok, but the kids' school is less than a mile from the stadium so we'll have to get into the fray to get them from school.   I'm half tempted to tell them to walk a mile and I'll pick them up at the grocery store.  :laugh:
Parent - By Arimathea [us] Date 2018-01-05 5:44 PM
I would!
Parent - By swandive Date 2018-01-05 7:10 PM
Hey, maybe we'll get ice Monday morning so it'll be a mess before afternoon ever arrives. :grin:  Er, maybe not the encouragement you're looking for? : pbbt:  I would say that you should definitely let the kids walk home from school, but it might depend on the weather.  Last I saw it was supposed to be freezing rain in the morning turning to rain in the afternoon, so it might just be a nasty day all the way around. :meh:
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